We're supposed to learn from history. Right? This is some serious history. Must read. If you care enough to, it's long and tear-jerking, please share your takeaways below in comments. The lessons we're supposed to learn:
Euthanasia or as it is euphemistically called in Canada “MAiD” medial assistance in death, is now the 5th leading cause of death in Canada. Most recently a lady called social services in need of a wheelchair and was offered MAiD several times.
Both abortion and euthanasia ask another human being to take another person’s life. It makes them complicit in a heinous act. Two people go for an abortion and one person usually dies, but not always but that is another issue.
There can never be enough safeguards for either act.
I am still in shock over the passing of this bill. So can I get this right. In this country we have access to the Pill, Condoms, and multiple forms of birth control, if they failed there ia access to termination to a proscibed number of weeks, I should imagine all but the most special needs or child would know they are pregnant. Now we have made it legal,( because if you cannot be prosecuted then it has to be legal), a woman can up to the final week of the full term of her pregnancy take a bunch of pills she orders from the internet and cause the death of what would have been a full term, viable child, a viable human, but because she has taken this action before the child emerges from her body either naturally, or via ceaserian its ok, and there is no action to be taken.
What happens to the full term dead baby when it emerges? does the female throw it in the bin?, bury it in the garden? or will there be special disposal sites provided by the Government for the specific use of infant disposal?
What if the child emerges from the aftermath of the pills and is still alive? is it sanctioned that the mother can then end its life outside of the womb? after all who is going to know.
There are thousands of childless couples in this country who would love to adopt a baby, why is that not a viable option?
I am truly sickened the fact that such a proposal, presumably bought by a minority pressure group, was even considered, much less voted on, and with 371 members of Parliament in favour.
Just what sort of people do we now have in Westminster? They have literally made the killing of babies ok, but allowing themselves the technical argument that killing a child at the point just before it enters the world is ok, its nothing. Move on
I've been close and personal in two situations: 1) The gradual decline of a lovely woman into personhood-stealing dementia. 2) The complete devastation of a young woman who showed up at the ER in early labor, and her 22-week-old baby did not survive the birthing process.
In the first instance a person who was whole was lost a piece at a time. It was heartbreaking, but also instructive and life affirming. Many important ripples of positive influence would not have happened if she had been given the misnamed "compassion" of euthanasia.
In the second instance the 22-week-old baby was already a perfectly formed baby in miniature, right down to fingernails and toenails, but just needed more time. After seeing that, my feelings against abortion became much stronger. The right to choose is made when someone engages in behavior that can result in a life. Abortion should not be an option unless pregnancy occurred without choice - rape, incest - or when the mother's life is truly at risk. Even then, the choice to end the life of the baby should not be considered routine. I have a friend who came into life as the result of her mother being raped, but the young mother chose not to abort, and my wonderful friend was given the gift of life.
Do I support assisted suicide or abortion? No. Recognizing and honoring the sanctity of life - maybe especially when there's suffering, imperfection, and inconvenience - is essential to retaining our humanity.
I feel like it's their solution to high costs. Unwanted babies end up costing the system and have a lower chance of growing into high band taxpayers. End of life care is expensive, however, if the person dies without accessing it, not only does the government save money but in a lot of cases, they get to collect inheritance tax too.
Frankly, a system that is in charge of keeping you alive that also benefits in case of your death is clearly a conflict of interest, and should've never been allowed to exist in the first place.
To destroy a life that you have created, in utero when it has already become viable, is adjacent to pre-meditated murder. Wanting to surrender one’s own life, for whatever reason, when you are in full possession pf your faculties is, in my view, a completely different issue.
That may be true, but I would hope that no-one not fully compos mentis would be able to do this. My point, however, was that we should not conflate the two issues (abortion and EoL death) in condemning the whole area of discussion. These are difficult and emotive areas, and need to be treated with compassion and sensitivity.
It's not just the Labour party in this country. It's the Left in Canada. It's the Left in the USA. In Denmark. It's the Left anywhere they can get away with it.
They are what they're so quick to call everyone else.
There's some international drive behind this. It's not coincidence.
Given the appalling (lack of) treatment my 86-year old father has received recently at one of Leeds' most prestigious NHS hospitals which robbed him of his mobility and dignity, we have no need for an Assisted Dying bill - the "Fast-Track" system of palliative care does indeed appear to be a "Fast-Track" and the NHS appear to be helping him down a very slippery slope to his demise...there's a palpable sense that the clock is ticking and that they want to end the care package as soon as possible to keep costs down. The cost-benefit analysis has been done and he (and his fellow elderly patients in the 'holding' ward are deemed to be too costly to repair and, like an old car, are being hauled off to the eternal scrap heap with alarming speed in the name of 'care'.There is no support whatsoever for helping him recover at least some of the life and dignity he had. We as a family feel that we are having to resist the NHS 'pathway' to give him a fighting chance of ending his days peacefully and happily. God help those who have nobody to fight their corner.
*But the thing is, abortion is eugenics, full stop. I'm sorry but you can't justify abortion and then also condemn it. A baby isn't meaningless and worthless, just because it's unwanted and at the stage of development before birth. That's why this act by the UK Government is abhorrent.
Does it? What is life? When the foetus is viable outside the mother? When the soul enters the body? Which isn't necessarily at birth - could be earlier, could be later.
We are created in the image of God. Life begins at conception. It doesn’t magically change from a foetus to a human being. It is always a human being. We are born with souls because we are made in the image of our Creator God.
That is your opinion, not a fact. You cannot base law on religious / spiritual opinions. I think the change in the law is abhorrent (obviously! Who are these demons in parliament sanctioning infanticide? (Note that this is also legal in some US States). The law as it used to be was at least rooted in the FACT of the viability of the foetus. Personally, I think the limit should be LOWER given the availability of the morning after pill and contraception However, there should be some window of opportunity very early on.
The idea that infanticide is now not a crime in this country is so overwhelmingly evil that, for me, this government and the people in it have crossed a moral line that means I consider the social contract well and truly broken and the law of England & Wales is now simply a tool of amoral tyrants. Those of us who wish to rebel against this need to establish a Non-Cooperation movement after Gandhi’s model.
In Australia we have the laws changed from early abortion to abortion up to birth. Babies are surviving abortion and being born alive and the cretins that call themselves the governments across Australia cannot even bring themselves to support a baby born alive bill which would guarantee care for the child. Nurses are heartbroken and devastated. One was found in a bin alive.
The above illustrates that while seems fine to take the life of a baby, the human cost to the medical staff is horrendous. Abby Johnson ( And then there were non) in the US made a movie called ‘Unplanned’ . It was about the abortion industry in the US under Planned Parenthood. Abby was recruited to work for them to persuade young women to abort their babies. She actually had to assist and saw a little baby swimming away from the instrument as it entered the birth sac and left never to work for them again. The segment in the movie where the baby tries to swim away is in my memory forever.
The Labour party becomes what they accuse everyone else of being, ie Nazis, who also legalised state-sanctioned disposal of unwanted citizens.
They've voted to legalise infanticide. This society used to be appalled and opposed to killing babies. Now this party has voted to allow it.
And at the same time they're pushing the murder of the elderly and inconvenient.
As others have said: you can't hate these ghouls enough.
We're supposed to learn from history. Right? This is some serious history. Must read. If you care enough to, it's long and tear-jerking, please share your takeaways below in comments. The lessons we're supposed to learn:
Nazi Germany: Useless Eaters:
Disability as Genocidal Marker in Nazi Germany
Catholic Culture, 2003
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=7019
Great piece Laura.
I wonder which other cohort loves death more than life...hmm.
I'm so pleased, well not pleased, maybe relieved, to hear that somebody else sees that comparison. Again I thought it was just me.
Not at all Gill just anyone with a brain ☺!
I was thinking of that too.
Euthanasia or as it is euphemistically called in Canada “MAiD” medial assistance in death, is now the 5th leading cause of death in Canada. Most recently a lady called social services in need of a wheelchair and was offered MAiD several times.
You would have to be totally insane to ever allow governments the authority to murder you in order to balance the budget!
They already do it - dressed up as 'care' .
Both abortion and euthanasia ask another human being to take another person’s life. It makes them complicit in a heinous act. Two people go for an abortion and one person usually dies, but not always but that is another issue.
There can never be enough safeguards for either act.
I am still in shock over the passing of this bill. So can I get this right. In this country we have access to the Pill, Condoms, and multiple forms of birth control, if they failed there ia access to termination to a proscibed number of weeks, I should imagine all but the most special needs or child would know they are pregnant. Now we have made it legal,( because if you cannot be prosecuted then it has to be legal), a woman can up to the final week of the full term of her pregnancy take a bunch of pills she orders from the internet and cause the death of what would have been a full term, viable child, a viable human, but because she has taken this action before the child emerges from her body either naturally, or via ceaserian its ok, and there is no action to be taken.
What happens to the full term dead baby when it emerges? does the female throw it in the bin?, bury it in the garden? or will there be special disposal sites provided by the Government for the specific use of infant disposal?
What if the child emerges from the aftermath of the pills and is still alive? is it sanctioned that the mother can then end its life outside of the womb? after all who is going to know.
There are thousands of childless couples in this country who would love to adopt a baby, why is that not a viable option?
I am truly sickened the fact that such a proposal, presumably bought by a minority pressure group, was even considered, much less voted on, and with 371 members of Parliament in favour.
Just what sort of people do we now have in Westminster? They have literally made the killing of babies ok, but allowing themselves the technical argument that killing a child at the point just before it enters the world is ok, its nothing. Move on
I've been close and personal in two situations: 1) The gradual decline of a lovely woman into personhood-stealing dementia. 2) The complete devastation of a young woman who showed up at the ER in early labor, and her 22-week-old baby did not survive the birthing process.
In the first instance a person who was whole was lost a piece at a time. It was heartbreaking, but also instructive and life affirming. Many important ripples of positive influence would not have happened if she had been given the misnamed "compassion" of euthanasia.
In the second instance the 22-week-old baby was already a perfectly formed baby in miniature, right down to fingernails and toenails, but just needed more time. After seeing that, my feelings against abortion became much stronger. The right to choose is made when someone engages in behavior that can result in a life. Abortion should not be an option unless pregnancy occurred without choice - rape, incest - or when the mother's life is truly at risk. Even then, the choice to end the life of the baby should not be considered routine. I have a friend who came into life as the result of her mother being raped, but the young mother chose not to abort, and my wonderful friend was given the gift of life.
Do I support assisted suicide or abortion? No. Recognizing and honoring the sanctity of life - maybe especially when there's suffering, imperfection, and inconvenience - is essential to retaining our humanity.
I feel like it's their solution to high costs. Unwanted babies end up costing the system and have a lower chance of growing into high band taxpayers. End of life care is expensive, however, if the person dies without accessing it, not only does the government save money but in a lot of cases, they get to collect inheritance tax too.
Frankly, a system that is in charge of keeping you alive that also benefits in case of your death is clearly a conflict of interest, and should've never been allowed to exist in the first place.
I couldn't agree more
So... are you saying killin' is a good thin'... or a bad thin'?
It's not clear to me.
To destroy a life that you have created, in utero when it has already become viable, is adjacent to pre-meditated murder. Wanting to surrender one’s own life, for whatever reason, when you are in full possession pf your faculties is, in my view, a completely different issue.
Under Kim Leadbeaters current Assisted Dying Bill, there's no guarantee that people will be in full possession of their facilities.
That may be true, but I would hope that no-one not fully compos mentis would be able to do this. My point, however, was that we should not conflate the two issues (abortion and EoL death) in condemning the whole area of discussion. These are difficult and emotive areas, and need to be treated with compassion and sensitivity.
Not if you make another human complicit in your death.
It is insane , labour have no mandate for this abortion free for all and I'm pretty sure if there was a public vote it would not pass .
Which MPs brainwave was this insanity ?
If it looks like a death cult...
This will visit grief, guilt, pain and, yes, death upon... women.
Not men.
Death cult indeed.
It's not just the Labour party in this country. It's the Left in Canada. It's the Left in the USA. In Denmark. It's the Left anywhere they can get away with it.
They are what they're so quick to call everyone else.
There's some international drive behind this. It's not coincidence.
Given the appalling (lack of) treatment my 86-year old father has received recently at one of Leeds' most prestigious NHS hospitals which robbed him of his mobility and dignity, we have no need for an Assisted Dying bill - the "Fast-Track" system of palliative care does indeed appear to be a "Fast-Track" and the NHS appear to be helping him down a very slippery slope to his demise...there's a palpable sense that the clock is ticking and that they want to end the care package as soon as possible to keep costs down. The cost-benefit analysis has been done and he (and his fellow elderly patients in the 'holding' ward are deemed to be too costly to repair and, like an old car, are being hauled off to the eternal scrap heap with alarming speed in the name of 'care'.There is no support whatsoever for helping him recover at least some of the life and dignity he had. We as a family feel that we are having to resist the NHS 'pathway' to give him a fighting chance of ending his days peacefully and happily. God help those who have nobody to fight their corner.
I’m sorry to hear that :-(
The people who voted and will vote for these things are eugenicists. We should expect them to vote for eugenics.
*But the thing is, abortion is eugenics, full stop. I'm sorry but you can't justify abortion and then also condemn it. A baby isn't meaningless and worthless, just because it's unwanted and at the stage of development before birth. That's why this act by the UK Government is abhorrent.
Well said.
You've pretty much covered all the bases there.
Here;s the problem... stuff iterates.
Nothing stops where it pauses.
What's next?
Evil is never satisfied.
It does not stand still but "progresses" to the next (at the moment) unthinkable iteration.
It devours; it destroys.
We have sown the wind.
As I told Laura: This will not end well.
At what point post conception then, does 'a baby' exist? An embryo or a foetus isn't a baby (clue is in the name)
You are grasping at straws.
When life begins... there is life.
But, you, obviously, want to dispute that.
Why?
What's your problem?
There is help... and there is hope.
Life begins at conception
Does it? What is life? When the foetus is viable outside the mother? When the soul enters the body? Which isn't necessarily at birth - could be earlier, could be later.
Contemplate your own existence.
"Go... do likewise..." as a certain sage once said.
We are created in the image of God. Life begins at conception. It doesn’t magically change from a foetus to a human being. It is always a human being. We are born with souls because we are made in the image of our Creator God.
That is your opinion, not a fact. You cannot base law on religious / spiritual opinions. I think the change in the law is abhorrent (obviously! Who are these demons in parliament sanctioning infanticide? (Note that this is also legal in some US States). The law as it used to be was at least rooted in the FACT of the viability of the foetus. Personally, I think the limit should be LOWER given the availability of the morning after pill and contraception However, there should be some window of opportunity very early on.
The idea that infanticide is now not a crime in this country is so overwhelmingly evil that, for me, this government and the people in it have crossed a moral line that means I consider the social contract well and truly broken and the law of England & Wales is now simply a tool of amoral tyrants. Those of us who wish to rebel against this need to establish a Non-Cooperation movement after Gandhi’s model.
In Australia we have the laws changed from early abortion to abortion up to birth. Babies are surviving abortion and being born alive and the cretins that call themselves the governments across Australia cannot even bring themselves to support a baby born alive bill which would guarantee care for the child. Nurses are heartbroken and devastated. One was found in a bin alive.
The above illustrates that while seems fine to take the life of a baby, the human cost to the medical staff is horrendous. Abby Johnson ( And then there were non) in the US made a movie called ‘Unplanned’ . It was about the abortion industry in the US under Planned Parenthood. Abby was recruited to work for them to persuade young women to abort their babies. She actually had to assist and saw a little baby swimming away from the instrument as it entered the birth sac and left never to work for them again. The segment in the movie where the baby tries to swim away is in my memory forever.
That is horrendous 😢
Define life
You frightened of dying? Start there.
Interesting definition. It would exclude a one week old baby.
Fetus is Latin for baby.
No it ain't.
"fruit"
Who hates fruit?
They'd be pretty dam mad, bad, stupid, evil if they did.
But...
Guess what?
They do!
Go figure.
Clue: Read Genesis, chapters 1-3